Why I cursed ex-Governor Olagunsoye Oyinlola and Senator Omisore — Chief Abiola Ogundokun | Says ‘I didn’t make a dime from serving Abacha’

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Chief Abiola Ogundokun
In this second part of his 80th birthday exclusive with Africa’s Number 1 Celebrity Encounter Blog, Asabeafrika, Chief Abiola Abiona Akinnpenu Ogundokun the Publisher of CONSCIENCE International magazine spoke about his great disappointment with the Nigerian political class and also announced himself as “A disappointed Politician”.  
The Iwo, Osun State (South West Nigerian) born political titan told us for the very first time how he laid a permanent curse on his former boss and friend, Governor Olagunsoye Oyinlola of Osun State and the presently embattled Senator Iyiola Omisore whom Chief Ogundokun claimed will never amount to anything politically in Osun State for the rest of his life. Ogundokun again, for the very first time, against long held views that he made fortunes from the Government of General Sani Abacha whom he served diligently even at the detriment of his goodwill, declared to Asabeafrika that he didn’t make a fortune from the regime as all he did were from his heart for a loving leader—Abacha. This interview promises to reveal many other things that will shock you. Enjoy.
The GDA meets Chief Abiola Ogundokun

During this last election, you were in the camp of ex-President Goodluck Jonathan and you visibly supported…
(Cuts in) I was in the PDP and I played such a wonderful role, I advised Goodluck Jonathan…
(Cuts in) So, why didn’t he listen to you?
You know when they go there they talk sweet. I think wherever he (Jonathan) is now; his conscience will be telling him that Chief Ogundokun told me, he warned me. I even warned him in the presence of the South West (PDP) Caucus in the villa. I warned him about (Senator) Iyiola Omisore too. I warned him and I am ready to confront Omisore too. I accused him of collecting money; he collected money and denied it. Today, the new government is exposing him for collecting that money. So, where is he going to hide his face now? Can he deny he didn’t collect that money? The money for the election did he give it to us? I wasted two hundred million of my money, selling properties here in Festac and elsewhere in Lagos. Now, I am living on something that I have built ever before PDP came into being. I want somebody to point out and accuse me of collecting one kobo for anything in my political career, any money from anywhere. I worked, used my money to build the party and used my influence as a go-getter. A go-getter never lose election, I don’t lose elections. I have won elections. I have been successfully in charge of Iwo Local Government elections for years. I put whoever I like there. I don’t need to have any relationship with you; if you have good credibility I put you there. But now, once you are strong, people gather to destroy you. I thank God that nobody has succeeded in destroying me.

The GDA with a copy of Conscience International Magazine (New Edition)

I took no kobo from PDP
Sir, where did you think Goodluck Jonathan got it wrong. Today, his ex-aides, ministers and political friends are being hounded into jail over several allegations of looting and massive stealing. We have names like Jide Omokore, Fani Kayode, Dieziani Alison Madueke, Iyiola Omisore, Olisa Metuh, Ayo Fayose and many more. But Chief Ogundokun is standing tall? How did GEJ mess up?
I took no kobo. I spend my money. So, they can never call me. Let them mention where they gave me one kobo. I mean one kobo. I spent money; I sold four of my properties including my Biscuit factory on Badagry road to sustain PDP. Let them come and say I join them in collecting any money, anywhere. I warned him (Jonathan) about the sycophants. I warned him about hungry hearts who have gotten enough and they still don’t feel satisfied. Some of them have banks in their homes, they have a lot of money they acquired illegal properties. Where were they when we have been in place and winning elections in this country? They are small boys who prostrate before us. Once they got the money they don’t longer respect (political) experience and leadership. Once they get money they become the leader, world leader and the sycophants also dance around them, not me. I told Omisoreyou will finish, you will never win an election’. Now, it is true that he doesn’t have any support. Let him go to Ife and contest election as a Local Government chairman weather he can win there.

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Ex-Governor Olagunsoye Oyinlola; The Man Chief Abiola Ogundokun cursed

How I cursed Oyinlola
You were also a prominent figure of the party in Osun State during the era of Governor Olagunsoye Oyinlola. You worked for the progress of the party until the opposition came and snatched the state off you. What really went wrong with Olagunsoye Oyinlola?
Yes, it is greediness that drove away PDP coupled with the act of compensating those who do not deserve anything and abandoning those who made it possible. One of the major reasons why (Olagunsoye) Oyinlola failed is that he believes in fantasy. I spent a lot of money and served Oyinlola but he betrayed me. He betrayed me in the sense that I deserved something good; they didn’t give to me and I see them making money. Why would I just continue to look? To the extent that I cannot deny the fact that before Baba Obasanjo intervened in Abeokuta at a peace meeting with him, he (Oyinlola) offended me to the extent that I cursed him that he will not last three months as governor and he did not last three months as governor because I was saying it from the bottom of my heart because he said something, that he will deal with me when I get back to Osun. But today, I have forgiven him o. I cursed him that he will not amount to anything again in politics; he will not touch anything and succeed politically.
(Cuts in) You mean ex-Governor Olagunsoye Oyinlola of Osun State?
Oh yes.

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But has he practically come to apologize to you and seek your divine forgiveness?
In fairness his family came o, and now, for the first time, about two and a half month ago we greeted. So, I felt happy when he came to greet me.
Yes, I once visited you in Oshogbo in those days and I could see the passion you had for Oyinlola throughout the election period, you were there. You did so many things for him, so, how did both of you suddenly fell apart?
I erected his campaign boards; I produced all the bill boards with my money, all the T-shirts, all the campaign jackets, hijabs for women, face caps with my money without getting any kobo from them. And then the thing came out to be successful and they were just chooping the money and doing what they like.

Senator Iyiola Omisore...Also got cursed by Chief Abiola Ogundokun

How Aregbesola can get out of his Wahala in Osun State
But right now, Osun state looks like it is going to explode under the present administration?
(Cuts in) But it will not explode o
The other day there was riot of uniform among students in the school; pupils were putting on Celestial, Cherub and Seraphim, Egungun and all sort of uniforms to school to express their dislike for Aregbesola’s Hijab policy. You as a prominent Muslim leader from Iwo, I think you should air your opinion on this?
Yes, I am the Basorun Musulumi of Iwo land; I am a good friend of Christians. As a matter of fact, I donate money to all the churches like I do to the Islamic families. What I think the Governor should do is simple. My advice is that the governor should just allow one uniform not necessarily distinguishing religion because it they have politicized religion nowadays that both Christians and Muslims are constantly finding themselves in a position of war. Look, Islam and Christianity is just one family. People should understand that; it is politics that has been introduced to the world of religion that is killing all. There is nothing wrong in the brotherhood of Christianity and Islam. When you go to Jerusalem, just look at the Christian man, how he dresses. Look at the Muslims and see how they dress. They are in the same building. They play and almost worship together. So, why should we come here and create this problem? You see hunger, hunger, hunger is being used by preachers and all sorts of people for their own selfish end to create division and we have to be very, very careful if we want to progress in Nigeria. America that sends a lot of missionaries to Nigeria, they are not good Christians o. we are more religious in Nigeria than in Saudi Arabia and in America. And we have taken it beyond levels; and let us not forget the word of God ‘love thy neighbor as thyself’ either Christians or Muslims.

Chief Abiola Ogundokun...'I placed a curse on Olagunsoye Oyinlola that he wont amount to anything in PDP again and it has happened to him'

We work together in those days, we dance together, and we do everything together. Now, families, religion is dividing them which is dangerous and that is the tactics of the masters who brought them here. They want to see that we are no longer united because we serve them, we work for them. They are inheriting and making gains out of our own economy. Can you imagine we are buying one pound sterling for N550 and buying one Dollar for about N400 when in fact, one dollar should be about N75?  When we go to London in those days and we change our money, their one pound was about seven hundred shillings or something like that. But today, it is different because they don’t want peace for Africa and we don’t understand that we are not safe in the hands of our foreign masters who believe that they just have to continue to enslave us. They claim that they gave us political freedom, do we have political freedom? Ask (President) Buhari. Immediately, he won an election, they took him to America to give him directives on what and what he must do. Britain is equally the same thing. When Goodluck Jonathan won an election, they dragged him to America against so many good advises given by eminent Nigerians. People like Maurice Iwu advised him. Did he listen to the advice? Everything Maurice Iwu told him, has it not come to pass? They threaten you, they won’t let you rule unless you implement their policies and when you do that, they use it to destroy your society and society reacts. Now, look at what Buhari is going through now, does he really like what is happening? No, he cannot love it because he wants progress for his society.  But he cannot enforce that progress because he is handicapped. He is ruling with the control of the external forces. So, you cannot blame the poor man. Nobody wants to answer a bad name in governance.

Late General Sani Abacha, the Man Chief Abiola Ogundokun served whole heartedly

I am a disappointed Politician
You served under President Shehu Shagari as the Publicity Secretary of your NPN and you equally served under President Goodluck Jonthan in various capacities in PDP. The two leaders have been widely adjudged as two of the worst leaders that ever ruled Nigeria since independence. However, analysts believes that Jonathan’s regime is worst than Shagari’s regime. Do you agree, sir?
With my own experience now, as a disappointed politician, I want to ask ‘which government is better?’ Shagari could be better. Shagari is a gentle man. He is a quite man, although he left his power to the whims and caprices of so many lieutenants. Goodluck Jonathan did the same thing. So, which government has done better than the two? The only government we truly missed is the aborted government of General Murthala Mohammed. That is the government that would have helped us. If you want to talk about leadership and past governance, who among them is clean? Who among them doesn’t have skeleton in their cupboard? Let them just claim, ‘I don’t have anything’ and let the people start to expose and compel a probe to every allegation made. I don’t think any of them will go free but what I am saying is that we should help Buhari to succeed. Buhari must equally sit down; he should not start to plan for the next election. He should sit down and go for dialogue, talk to the opposition. Like what is happening to Bukola Saraki is not the best.

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 A lot of people feel Bukola Saraki is a disgrace to the senate leadership and that he should step down to face his probe since he went against the wish of his pary. He is widely seen as the face of political fraud?
Is it not the same money he spent to bring Buhari to power? Is he not the master organizing secretary under ground that defected from PDP to go and help to smoothen a new political party that has brought Buhari in? Don’t they know? Once you know that a young man is powerful, what you have been using to cage him before should be applied not destructive action. Now, it is going to be a very bitter war. I will advise (President) Buhari from my own heavy and highly experienced knowledge of politics that he must thread very, very slowly. Make friends, reconcile. One thing I appreciate in him is that he is very bold and he can do anything. If a man can cage his brother, Umaru Dikko to come and answer charges on corruption, he can do it to anybody. And people who are dealing with him should be careful also, because they know who he is before they voted him to power.  For me, I see him as a quite gentle man. When we were in (General Sani) Abacha’s administration, I was a member of the constitutional conference, I have written so many beautiful things about him. But with his records, when you know a man and you accept him to rule, you must understand him and you must be careful. And if truly he is working for the future’s continuation, he must not trespass into certain people’s freedom like what is happening between him and Saraki and don’t think it is smooth between him and Tinubu either.

Chief Abiola Ogundokun to Asabeafrika...'I warned ex-President Goodluck Jonathan about Iyiola Omisore'

Are you sure, sir?
I am very sure; it is all politics that is happening between him and Tinubu
But a lot of people said both Buhari and Tinubu are best of friends?
No, they are political friends. They cannot be best of friends from the heart. I know what is happening; we are close to that system. It is pure politics.
How I became Obasanjo’s fan
What about General Obasanjo?
Obasanjo! He is the most tactical, highly efficient planner in Nigeria. He is one man who can make things happen. He is not a man to be confronted. He knows how to go about his will, and don’t think that people hate Obasanjo. His enemies will hate him but his friends will love him beyond explanation. Before, I never move close to Obasanjo but when I got to move closer to him I found in him a pleasant man. All he wants is simple; he respects people and he want to be respected. He wants to tell the truth. If you don’t even like what he wants to do, tell him, don’t pretend. And don’t fear him. Those who fear him are the people that run into problem. I have confronted him before and I know he doesn’t take that as an offence. Before I moved to him they told me because I am an Abacha’s friend that I should not get closer but on the first day I met him I was surprised. It was on my matter with Oyinlola; that a good friend of ours brought to his notice and he invited me and Oyinlola courtesy of Chief Afe Babalola but Oyinlola messed up there. But still yet, I was thinking that he (Obasanjo) was going to be partial but he was very, very honest in judgment on that occasion. That is what endeared Obasanjo to my heart.

Chief Abiola Ogundokun to Asabeafrika...'I sold all my properties to sponsor and support PDP in Osun State only for me to be cheated out'

Chief Olusegun Obasanjo, Chief Abiola Ogundokun's new alta ego

I was equally surprised that you suddenly became Obasanjo’s friend. In his 8 years you were on the low profile probably because you fear he would avenge your former Principal General Sani Abacha’s political misgivings on you?
No, I wrote so many beautiful things about Obasanjo in his 8 years. When you go back to my magazine, I did a lot of good things for him but I never move closer to him. I never shake his hands throughout those 8 years.

Chief Abiola Ogundokun with former Osun State Deputy Governor, Erelu Obada

Why were you so afraid of him?
No, I wasn’t afraid. No he cannot take revenge on me because of Abacha. Obasanjo is one person that is different. Yes, I was expecting that kind of behavior from him when I met him but he is a humble man. You see, he is highly respectful. Baba Obasanjo when I talk to him, he calls me ‘Baba Ogundokun’ (Laughter) and he is older than me. I have a lot of respect for him. That is a man Nigerians should garner round and support because we need a leader that can handle Nigeria. That is the man. They fear him. Goodluck feared him despite their disagreement and Buhari cannot tell me he doesn’t fear Obasanjo. Obasanjo can turn Nigeria up and down in one minute. Some of us respect him, we respect his brain and he is respected as one who does not take offence in you criticizing him.  He is respected as someone who takes criticism without bitterness. So, why don’t we just put our mind together and let him be our leader, call him, let us make him to know his mistakes and let him see reasons with the society. But he doesn’t like cheating.

Chief Abiola Ogundokun's latest edition of CONSCIENCE Magazine on his war with Professor Wole Soyinka

Let’s go back to your Abacha years, you were one of the very few elites in Yoruba land who did a lot of image laundering for the late Head of state during his unpopular regime..
(Cuts in) I manage Abacha’s image and we did our best
Yes, I know. So, why did you support Abacha despite the fact that he was generally seen as the worst despot who ever ruled Nigeria?
The world is not dangerous. The people in the world are the dangerous people. If you live or you are ruling and you transfer your power to your lieutenants, you might run into problems. Before you give your trust and power to anybody, you have to study what he wants and know him. How I come I supported and helped Abacha and I never got one kobo from that administration?

The GDA meets Chief Abiola Ogundokun

I didn’t get a dime for Supporting Abacha
This is news to me because a lot of people believe that you actually got your fabulous wealth from Abacha’s government. Nobody will believe you could ever do those propagandas for free?
I am happy that (Major) Al-Mustapha is alive today that I refused to take their money. There was a time Al-Mustapha was asked to give me half a million naira brought to my house in presence of Dr. (Victor) Omololu Olunloyo to thank me for using my money to uplift members of the constitutional conference. They went and told the government in a wrong way and that was how Abacha knew I was spending my money that much for members and he sent money to me. Olunloyo was there and I refused to take the money. Olunloyo pressurized me. Then, I asked them to take two hundred and fifty thousand naira and distribute it to all members of the Constitutional conference from the South West, they all signed for it. I have the copy of their names till today if anybody wants to deny it. So, that is the only money that passed through me and I never touch it. Dr. Olunloyo was the one I asked to distribute the money and they all signed for it and I have the (signed) paper up till today if anybody wants to dispute it in the South West among members. So, me, I am not part of the money sharing legacy but something pushed me to support Abacha.
Why I supported Abacha
What is that, sir?
Wole Soyinka.

Another of Chief Abiola Ogundokun's Publication on Chief Olusegun Obasanjo's Oil Economic blue print as President

Why Wole Soyinka?
Wole Soyinka has condemned every government except one. And that is Babangida because Babangida gave him a job at the Federal Road Safety. To him, Babangida is the best president; no other president does anything good. And when he attacks he is as well aloof. When you want to attack, you must proffer solution, alternative solution to help. Maybe the person you are attacking doesn’t know, maybe he doesn’t have the background and the knowledge to do it right. You that you are condemning him, you must proffer alternative suggestions to make him do it right. You don’t just attack. And the way they went out asking for sanctions against Nigeria. Sanction will affect you and me and the poor people. They that are globetrotting, collecting monies from international communities will not suffer because they are getting good dollars and pound sterling, me that I am not going to go anywhere and I am not going to allow my children to leave outside Nigeria, who will suffer for it? So, in order to prevent these sanctions and hunger foisted on the poor society, that is why I took up the challenge to support Abacha and spoke that we should go to a round table, the international community should not impose sanctions and I thank (Late Ikemba Nnewi) Ojukwu for supporting me. I thank Ambassador George Obiozor, I thank Tony Anenih and many others who followed me round the world when I was doing the campaign. SAS was one of them

One of Chief Abiola Ogundokun's Publication on Chief Olusegun Obasanjo

(Cuts in) You mean the controversial Senator Ali Modu Sheriff?
I don’t know whether he is controversial, it is just politics. I also thank Baba Adi the lawyer in Jos and many, many people like that. David West also begged me to take him along and I took him along about one or two times to the international seminars before we fell off. I want somebody to prove that I have gained anything from any government, one Kobo. They should come out with it, I challenge anybody. Al-Mustapha is alive today; I understand Abacha ordered them to give me money for my magazine. Ask them whether they ever gave me one cent.
Ah, ah, money for Chief Ogundokun’s Magazine sabotaged as well?
When I launched my magazine, Kabo (of Kabo Air) was the Chief launcher, he promised two million Naira donation, I think for six years he was able to give me  only two hundred and fifty thousand Naira. So, somebody should come out and prove me wrong.  

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